Friday, September 23, 2005

Robert King and Timothy Kline--Humble Truth Tellers or Masters of Deception?

You probably know by now that Robert King now admits that he is E-Watchman. Timothy Kline is his administrator of his 'e-Jehovah's Witness' site. They have both offered a defense to my blog that E-W did not receive his 'new light' from Holy Spirit* but rather from a book by TWMC called The Report. Here are the links to their defense.
Lets take a closer look.

Does Eloquent Words Prove You Speak the Truth?

After reading their blogs defending E-W what do we find? They do not offer one iota of evidence proving that I have lied or slandered. Instead they give scathing denunciations of myself and others claiming that we are liars, slanderers, principalities of the demons, machinations of the Devil. Notice a few of these comments:

Mr. King says: "While claiming to support the truth, all of these men follow the Devil's modus operandi, he being the original Slanderer."

While Mr. Kline says: "Those who have sworn fealty to the Society have, in times past, always engaged in a similar campaign of smear tactics, discreditation, and false accusations to that in practice by the Society."

Most excellent words indeed. Perhaps if I could now create a reply with longer sentences and more eloquent words of denunciations, it would prove that I am the one really telling the truth. Maybe if I write my words bigger than theirs then it will show that I am the ultimate truth teller.

Notice that Mr. Kline has brought forth the old defense that we 'attack the messenger not the message'. He says: "In recent days, the Society's online foot soldiers of "theocratic warfare" have started anew in their efforts to attack the person rather than the truth. Through the use of mock "Press Releases," carefully-crafted Blogs designed to warn fellow Witnesses about "apostates", and what appears to be a successful infiltration and undermining of message boards, these zealots of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society are taking the rules of "theocratic warfare" to all-new levels. This blog will attempt to address those accusations and slanderous remarks." And yet we see no attempt whatsoever by Mr. Kline to address the 'accusations and slanderous remarks.' What do we see instead? Who is it that is attacking the messengers rather than the message?

Instead we see how they address these so called slanderers in oh so many different ways:
1.those who utilize it to distract the public from the more important issues,
2.constantly harass lovers of Jehovah,
3.banned for their disruptive behavior from Mr. King’s board,
4.persevering in their Slander-and-Smear campaigns,
5.petty yet endless barrages of false accusations and belligerent slander,
6.these so-called “Jehovah’s Witnesses”,
7.boasts of his disregard for the Watchtower Society’s direction in areas such as acquiring apostate literature and posting from it so others can have a “peek” inside,
8.use the board as a launching pad for “theocratic warfare” to try to discourage people from examining the truth for themselves when it comes to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society,
9.this prideful and self-proclaimed “Witness”,
10.the artfully-contrived work of this underminer of Witness faith,
11.Hardly sounds like a real Witness, engaged in a similar campaign of smear tactics, discreditation, and false accusations to that in practice by the Society,
12."theocratic warfare" strtegy meant to try to detract from the validity of the truths being dispensed across the internet,
13.Two of them don’t even use their screen names because they are apparently ashamed of their underhanded attacks and their own glaring hypocrisy,
14.the three bloggers greedily gulped down the lie that Third Witness is peddling and they regurgitated their own slanders in the hope that others will eagerly swallow their slanders,
15.all of these men follow the Devil's modus operandi. "

Congratulations to you Mr. King and Mr. Kline. I don't think there are many more ways the messengers could be attacked. You have made it impossible for anyone to attack you without repeating words that you have already said about others. Who really are the slanderers?

But what about the issues? What about the copied phrases by Mr. King from The Report? What about the way Mr. King told his readers when he was merely known as E-Watchman that they should not tell out 'the truth about the truth' in the congregations. That it would only be stirring up contentions. Why do these words of E-W no longer apply: "Since most of Jehovah's Witnesses are not spiritually ill, why should you want to force down their throats a dose of medicine that they do not need? Shall we first cause our brother to have doubts just so we can save him from his doubts? Do you imagine that you know what is best for the millions of Jehovah's Witnesses who are serving God the only way they know how? My observation is that those who insist on telling Jehovah's Witnesses "the truth about the truth" don't know the truth themselves and are not really capable of imparting to Jehovah's Witnesses anything having to do with faith." Why does Mr. King disagree with E-Watchman? How about addressing the issues rather than seeing how many ways you can attack someone. How about addressing why persons who defend JWs are banned from your site Mr. King, a site supposedly primarily for Jehovah's Witnesses, whereas those who insult JWs as an organization and who insult defenders of JWs remain in good standing and are praised for their challenging the authority of the elders and WTS and getting themselves disfellowshipped?

Offering Proof not Attacks

Mr. Kline has said: "Case in point: the site host, an individual named Al—who recently broke all ties with Robert King after Mr. King’s message board became inundated with those who wanted to constantly harass lovers of Jehovah—has now found his own board populated with the same individuals who afterwards got banned for their disruptive behavior from Mr. King’s board."

Is this really what happened? Did Thirdwitness 'harass lovers of Jehovah'? Or was it the other way around? All anyone has to do is read the past threads and they will see for themselves. But it might be good here to quote some of the insults that was heaped upon thirdwitness while at the Paradise Cafe:

watchman: "The Watchtower is lying and so are you When the occasion called for it, Christ pointed out the lying hypocrisy of his opposers"

Others: "You, sir, are a liar."

"3W, you ... spew the mindless drivel that you do!You have shown me just how heartless and petty the WT and their BLIND followers can be"

"What's the point in trying to reason with someone that seems to have the credulity of a 5 year old when it comes to the WT?"

3W , You know........ I just deleted half my message because my respone to you likley would have gotten me banned.You want to know why I didn't ? Because you're not worth it !! This dear sister shares a terribly tragic story in the hope that lunkheads like you finally wake up and some of the first words out of your mouth are: "But can you blame the WTBTS for this ?" Are you nuts or just stupid beyond belief !!?? Your big man "outrage" doesn't change your blindness !

I'm sickened by the parrot above that agrees that it's ok to disagree elders if they advise contrary to the WT publications.

Yes provide the proof Mr. Kline and Mr. King. I challenge Mr. King or Mr. Kline to post one quote from me where I was so insulting. I was banned simply for disagreeing with E-W. He knows and many others know that to be the truth. I also challenge these self-proclaimed truth tellers to submit one line of slander that I have brought forth against them. Words are cheap. The proof is in the pudding.

Mr. Kline has also made this statment: "Of course, there’s plenty more to be discussed when it comes to the true identity of this “ThirdWitness,” staunch defender of The Report." Am I a 'staunch defender of The Report'? Or is this just another statement of deceit designed to make persons believe that my goals are to promote a different apostasy rather than promoting Mr. King's apostasy? I challenge Mr. Kline again to prove his accusation and bring forth even one sentence of my so called 'staunch' defense of The Report. That being said, if I were Mr. Burney, Robert King would be receiving a letter from my attorney forthwith.

Let us take note of further deceptions in their blogs of defense, Mr. Kline says: "Here is a recent example of just one such would-be Witness who goes by the name of “ThirdWitness”:“I was not even looking for THE REPORT. I was just looking thru ebay at books on ebay published by the WTBTS[?] and lo and behold, I saw THE REPORT. I noticed the similarites in the book and in watchmans essays so I bought it. Did I know just how similar it was going to be? NO! Was I directed by Holy Spirit to buy it and then directed to notice the similar passages so that watchman could be exposed?”

"The book titled The Report is well-known around the internet as an apostate work of literature. Interestingly enough, this “Witness” makes no qualms about having purchased this apostate book and owning it, and even goes so far as to point out that “holy spirit” directed him to buy the book—absolutely contrary to the direction of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society."

He further says, "Coaxed by what “ThirdWitness” describes as “Holy Spirit,” he purchased the book and then miraculously was led to certain passages—much like a certain Joseph Smith was led by angelic guidance to writings that led Joseph Smith to truth."

Here we have an attempt to actually raise me up to the level of Robert King. He being the Watchman with new light by means of the Holy Spirit and me being Holy Spirit directed to find The Report and certain passages in the book. Unwittingly he actually provides an argument against Robert King. In other words, I am just another crazy glory seeker with thoughts of grandeur that I have direction from the Holy Spirit 'much like a certain Joseph Smith', yes much like a certain Robert King. But is this really what I claimed? Or is Mr. Kline deceivingly leaving something out. Here is my real quote:

watcher - Unless holy spirit gave him the information? I guess we will all have to decide that for ourselves and time will tell. I am reminded of Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormons. He was given golden tablets written in Egyptian. He translated it into English. Amazingly, some passages he translated were exactly word for word with the King James Version, even including spurious scriptures which were later found not to be in the original text. And even though he spoke modern English, he translated into the same archaic English of the King James Bible. How did he do this? Did he have Holy Spirit in translating the passages and that is why they are the same as the KJV[?]? That is what a Mormon will tell you.

I can make the same claim. I was not even looking for THE REPORT. I was just looking thru ebay at books on ebay published by the WTBTS[?] and lo and behold, I saw THE REPORT. I noticed the similarites in the book and in watchmans essays so I bought it. Did I know just how similar it was going to be? NO! Was I directed by Holy Spirit to buy it and then directed to notice the similar passages so that watchman could be exposed? So do you believe watchman has holy spirit but I don't? Or do you believe I have holy spirit and watchman don't? I much prefer to just look at the facts rather than try to guess? (Just for the record I do not make such a claim at all. I think it was merely a coincidence.) " End of quote. Posted at
10:40 - 20/09/2005

It is exactly the opposite of what Mr. Kline said. I pointedly said that I did not make such a claim at all that holy spirit directed me. And I would here for the record like to reiterate that I do not make such a claim. But Mr. Kline has written a whole entire piece about my alleged claim that never was.
Proof that Mr. Kline is indeed a master of deception. Now I suspect that he will have to remove his words from his blog to hide his clear deception here exposed.

Since these two have no qualms about twisting the truth to deceive others as has clearly been shown how can they be taken seriously about other matters such as the child abuse policy of the WTS and the UN matter? Do they also twist the the truth when it comes to these subjects? The evidence shows the answer to be yes.

E-W's Defense of Plagiarism

Mr. Kline himself has unknowingly provided proof that Mr. King was aware of the book by TWMC. Did you notice Mr. Kline's comment: "The book titled The Report is well-known around the internet as an apostate work of literature." As someone from Al's site facetiously asked, Did Mr. Kline forget to add the words, 'except by E-Watchman, aka Mr. King?'

King: This is not the first time I have been falsely accused as a word thief.

Perhaps not. But perhaps it is the first time it has been proven.

King: I only recall reading one essay of his having to do with the king of the north. Frankly, my impression was that he had very little insight into these matters. One example: He asserts that Osama bin Laden is the king of the north, which is, of course, absurd. Bin Laden a king? Who are his subjects?

That is great. But that is not what The Report says. It agrees with Mr. King. Or should I say Mr. King agrees with it. Even pointing to that same 1991 Awake Magazine about the UN.

King: Did the Report cover Joel or Habakkuk, Amos, Obadiah, Zephaniah, Zechariah, Micah, Hosea? I can’t say for certain since I have never read it, but, somehow, I seriously doubt it. Furthermore, the recently released book Jehovah Himself Has Become King offered a unique interpretation of Revelation from chapter seven to chapter eleven. Does The Report delve into that portion of Revelation? Again, I doubt it.

So what? Just because a person can add to or take away from the writings of another does not prove that he did not copy parts of it. No one is arguing that Mr. King is not intelligent enough to write his own essays. Joseph Smith wrote the whole entire Book of Mormon while copying parts of the King James translation. Since he was able to think up some things on his own did that mean he did not copy some of the words from the King James translation of the Bible? But again, he does not defend himself by addressing the parts of the book that he obviously did consult and yes copy. He merely sidesteps the issue.

King: As a former member of the Paradise Café forum, Third Witness had plenty of opportunities to bring up his concerns about certain similarities between the Report and e-watchman. I would have been more then happy to discuss it in the forum. But he didn’t chose to have an open and honest discussion.

First of all, I did not get the book until after I was banned. Secondly, I'm sure he would have been 'happy to discuss it in the forum'. Just as he was happy to discuss the child abuse policy of the WTS and the NGO matter. Subjects that I was banned for discussing. Not for my insulting behavior, but because I disagreed and offered proof contray to the beliefs of Mr. King on these subjects. Subjects that thereafter became taboo to discuss with the threat of immediate banning for anyone who did discuss it unless of course you agreed with Mr. King. I suspect that if I had discussed The Report at his Paradise Cafe we would have soon seen something like this written by the administrator: "I have decided from this point on that anyone discussing the book entitled, The Report, will be banned from this site immediately. Furthermore this is not open for discussion."

King: Interestingly, like blossoming mushrooms in manure, numerous blogs have popped up in Blogdom this week, all denouncing e-watchman as a plagiarist and apostate.

Another excellent and well written example of clever words that say nothing at all about the issues.

Why anonymity?

Mr. Kline further charges: "They can engage in their attacks, slander and smear campaigns at-will, in the freedom of anonymity.This provides the public with a powerful and convincing reason to question the validity of anything these ones claim or write--after all, if a person really believes that what they are saying is true and incontrovertible, why the anonymity?"

And Mr King likewise asserts: "While two of the bloggers hide in complete anonymity it is apparent that they all are former members of the Paradise Café, who were either banned of left in a huff. Two of them don’t even use their screen names because they are apparently ashamed of their underhanded attacks and their own glaring hypocrisy..."

To which I have a very simple answer that is not very original at all: "Again, my personal matters are of no consequence. I choose to remain anonymous for a number of reasons. Perhaps in the future that may change."

"Without compromising my identity, I have been as honest and forthright as I know how to be."

Oh, by the way, I would not want to plagiarize. Did I mention that those are E-watchman's words? Are You Saying You are a Prophet?

Displaying Humility

Mr. King accuses us of being sent by the Devil to attack him, while at the same time he is attacking our brothers who work hard in Bethel calling them slimy adultering liars, harbingers of child molesters, greedy, having demon-inspired doctrines. But the question here is what do we have to gain by pointing out the kind of person he has proven himself to be. We are not selling books. We are not claiming to be Watchmans of Jehovah. Who is Mr. King now? Is he still the man who answered this question: "Are you not just following the traditions of men and trying to draw Jesus' disciples off after yourself with crafty words?" with these words:

"Where would I draw them off to? I am merely a lowly kingdom publisher the same as you. In fact, I might be that slightly disheveled-looking brother sitting at the back of your kingdom hall—you know, the one who makes the occasional, not-in-the-paragraph-comment during the meetings? I want nothing more than that my brothers should trust Jehovah to set things straight. "Are You Saying You are a Prophet?

So much for being that 'lowly kingdom publisher ' the same as the rest of us. And so much for trusting 'Jehovah to set things straight.'

Here is an excellent scripture that I actually learned from Mr. King himself, a scripure that he has apparently forgotten as shown by his actions thus far:

1 Cor 4:5 "Hence do not judge anything before the due time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring the secret things of darkness to light and make the counsels of the hearts manifest, and then each one will have his praise come to him from God."

Perhaps it has now come the 'due time' for Mr. King, the 'Watchman', to do that judging. And has it now also become the due time for him to rule as a king? Interestingly Paul asked a similar question about puffed up individuals who had forgotten that they had received the truth from the same source as the rest of us.

That scripture continues: 4:6 “Do not go beyond the things that are written,” in order that YOU may not be puffed up individually in favor of the one against the other. 7 For who makes you to differ from another? Indeed, what do you have that you did not receive? If, now, you did indeed receive [it], why do you boast as though you did not receive [it]? 8 YOU men already have YOUR fill, do YOU? YOU are rich already, are YOU? YOU have begun ruling as kings without us, have YOU? And I wish indeed that YOU had begun ruling as kings, that we also might rule with YOU as kings."

Their actions are well described in 2 Cor 11:13: "For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light. 15 It is therefore nothing great if his ministers also keep transforming themselves into ministers of righteousness. But their end shall be according to their works."

Displaying Real Love for Our Brothers

There is a lot of talk about showing love for one another on certain sites. And how exposing Robert King is because of our hatred and lack of love. Actually it is the exact opposite. Our love for our brothers as well as Robert King has moved us to bring forth these truths for the sake of our brothers. Is it really showing love just because we may say 'much love and peace to you' out of one corner of our mouth while at the same time bashing Jehovah's people and encouraging our brothers to leave Jehovah and his arrangement of things out of the other corner? And encouraging loyalty to who? Jehovah? His people who are working hard to do Jehovah's will in preaching the good news worldwide? Or a talented, charismatic, self-proclaimed watchman who spews out denunciations upon JWs and the WTS proclaiming them outright liars, adulterers, full of demon-inspired doctrines, directed by lawyers who only concern is pocketing more money, practicers of modern day Baal worship and so on? What unmatchless love indeed!

Jude 11,12,16 very well decribes some of these so called JW sites: "Too bad for them, because they have gone in the path of Cain, and have rushed into the erroneous course of Ba´laam for reward, and have perished in the rebellious talk of Ko´rah! 12 These are the rocks hidden below water in YOUR love feasts while they feast with YOU, shepherds that feed themselves without fear; 16 These men are murmurers, complainers about their lot in life, proceeding according to their own desires, and their mouths speak swelling things, while they are admiring personalities for the sake of [their own] benefit."

And so I am writing these blogs because Mr. King has decided to make an all out assault upon our brothers by distributing his new book. I am concerned that this will damage the faith of some of our weaker brothers who have not moved on to the solid food of the Bible, or perhaps even some of the chosen ones. I am hoping that others can read this information and know the truth about who they are dealing with. But at the same time, I would hope that Mr. King would see the error of his ways, show humility, and once again become a 'lowly kingdom publisher' like the rest of us rather than having grandeur thoughts that he is a modern day watchman for Jehovah. He could no doubt be a great asset to Jehovah's Witnesses if he would only return to Jehovah and his arrangement of things. The same I hope for Mr. Kline. I would like nothing more than to be internet friends with them serving Jehovah shoulder to shoulder.

*Mr. Kline has pointed out that holy spirit should not be capitalized. He is correct. I did capitalize it above in some instances. My mistake. I in no way believe that holy spirit is a separate person from Jehovah. I will not edit it so that my mistake as pointed out by Mr. Kline can clearly be seen.